Mr. “Conservative”: This is quite a list of “crimes”, coming from the same Leftists that thought Bill Clinton’s perjury was justified since it was just “about sex.”
Johnathan: It WAS just about sex wasn’t it?? I guess I had never thought of it like that Mr. “Conservative”…
Well … I know I never said Bill Clinton’s perjury was justified … In fact, I’m glad you brought it up … Next to the standard set by the impeachment of Bill Clinton the impeachment of George Bush should have been that much more immediate and forthcoming … Thanks Mr. “Conservative”, that was a good point ….
Mr. “Conservative”: Let’s start with “targeting civilian infrastructure to create civil and social collapse on an epic scale,” this is an interesting charge. One would have to question how you came up with this charge.
Johnathan: Actually … One would have to question how you didn’t.
Mr. “Conservative”: The fact is that Iraq kept their military buried within the civilian community, as do all Mideast countries. It is understandable that civilian infrastructure would be damaged to get to the military, but to claim that the civilian infrastructure was targeted is a bit of a stretch. “Killing innocent men, women, and children and doing so with malice of forethought.” Again an interesting charge but based on what evidence? … Maybe it was the only way to get to the Iraqi military?
Johnathan: So … Since I’m sure you have it memorized tell me again exactly why it was that the IRAQI military HAD to be targeted??
Mr. “Conservative”: Was there any evidence given that the civilians were the specific targets? No, the military was the target, but they used civilian “human shields” making the death and injury of “innocent civilians” militarily necessary, the blame for that lies not with Bush, but rather, with Saddam himself.
Johnathan: But for the fact that Bush lied about the reasons for even being there in the first place none of it would have happened at all … Therefore Bush is at fault for his atrocities in Iraq not Saddam ….
Mr. “Conservative”: Would these “atrocities” be any worse than the murder of innocent civilians specifically targeted in the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center?
Johnathan: Funny someone like you would mention 911 … Again….
Mr. “Conservative”: Well, are they? Are they worse than the murder of several million Jews in Germany during World War II? Worse than the atrocities committed by the Japanese all over Asia and the Pacific islands during World War II? Are they worse than forcing Filipinas and Korean women into sexual slavery in Japanese bordellos?
Johnathan: Nope, now that you bring it up I suppose not … Atrocities are Atrocities…Which is why they are all in the same bracket … Illegal….
Mr. “Conservative”: What about Saddam’s own atrocities then? The rape rooms, the mass murders of his citizens?
Johnathan: Bush is responsible for WAY MORE atrocities in Iraq then Saddam Hussein ever dreamed of and … What happened to Saddam again?
Mr. “Conservative”: What about the use of nerve gas on the Kurds?
Johnathan: The nerve gas Rumsfeld gave him to use on the Kurds? Are we really going to have to go all the way back through history so everyone knows what atrocities are?
Mr. “Conservative”: What experience do you have in military strategy, “General”? What experience do you have in running military operations, “General”? I’m thinking NONE.
Johnathan: You’ll have to excuse my ignorance I didn’t realize that I had to be a general to talk about someone else’s atrocities … I also didn’t know that you Sir were a general! … How’s that going for ya? … I bet the free parking is awesome?
Mr. “Conservative”: You said, “Colin Powell lied to the UN.” followed by “Bush lied in the State of the Union Address.” and “Bush and his staff lied to us 935 separate times.” You don’t have any evidence that they lied, you just make unsubstantiated charges.
Johnathan: There is a big difference between making an “unsubstantiated charge” and making a factual one with facts ….
Mr. “Conservative”: Have you forgotten, in your undying hatred of the American way of life, that every intelligence agency from every country agreed with our interpretation of the intel that Iraq had WMD?
Johnathan: You mean like all of the other foreign agencies including China’s and Russia’s that tried on several occasions to warn Bush to the contrary? …. Our OWN intelligence agencies disagreed with the WHITE HOUSE’S assessment of Saddam’s capabilities but they were silenced by the only person’s in the world with the authority to do so … If you actually cared for the American way of life you would have known that already….
Mr. “Conservative”: Maybe you forgot that even the UN inspectors said Saddam was hiding WMD until Scott Ritter decided it was politically expedient to change his opinion.
Johnathan: I wasn’t aware that Scott Ritter was running for political office … Seems to me that going up against the White House would be the opposite of political expedience …
Mr. “Conservative”: “Weapons of mass destruction? Yes, I guess they missed those, because there were none and they knew that going in.” again, your proof?
Johnathan: My proof can be easily looked up in the annals of history by using a simple Google search … It will take you about two tenths of a second….
Mr. “Conservative”: Here’s mine, refer to the above paragraph. Add to that the following. The American military found more than 500 shells of serrin nerve gas, I’m sure you remember reading about that in the paper, for only one day, until the left-wing media decided to hide that story.
Johnathan: I suppose next you’ll say something to the effect of “trust me”?
Mr. “Conservative”: Or maybe you remember my son’s unit finding a warehouse full of 55 gallon drums containing the chemicals needed to make chemical weapons,
Johnathan: I notice you won’t say what was in those barrels … Was it chlorine?? … What “chemicals” did you … I mean your “son” find … exactly??
Mr. “Conservative”: No, No you won’t remember that, it was politically incorrect for the far left media to run that story since it didn’t fit with how evil Bush is and how innocent Saddam was.
Johnathan: This is new! … I didn’t know Rupert Murdoch and his far left cohorts at Fox News were all that worried about making Bush seem evil and Saddam seem innocent? …. Do tell?
Mr. “Conservative”: “Al Qaeda Terrorists? Yes, I guess they missed those as well, because at that point there were none of those in Iraq yet either.” Again, no evidence, just an accusation from you and the far left.
Johnathan: I’m not an expert on terrorists or where they were or were not hanging out on some unspecified date Mr. “Conservative” but you sure seem like a smart guy….
Mr. “Conservative”: Here is my evidence, one of the Al-Qaeda leaders went to Iraq to be treated after we got him cornered and seriously wounded in a battle in Afghanistan. I’m sure you remember the “one-legged sheik”? Maybe not though, it wouldn’t be politically expedient for you to remember that little fact.
Johnathan: Let me get this straight? … After being cornered a seriously injured one legged man escaped the coordinated grasp of the US military and made it undetected all the way through the mountainous wastelands and deserts of Afghanistan Turkey and Iraq and then what? … Plopped himself down on the couch at Saddam’s Palace and they both planned 911 over tea and crumpets? …. What was his name and where did he stay when he got there? … What ties this seriously injured one legged man to Saddam and 911 specifically? … Do you have photos of Saddam shaking his hand perhaps thanking him for all the weapons and support? … Is there a real, time stamped audio tape of their full conversation while they made their plans?? … Do you have their certified confessions and a full coherent narrative of their involvement in 911? … Do you have some skin cells so I can compare the DNA to nothing in particular? … A time coded chain of custody with a cataloged DNA trail and video log of this long perilous journey with tons and tons of peer reviewed papers on the subject in several well respected and what I would retroactively consider to be credible government funded journals? … I only ask because that seems to be the standard of proof you expect out of others and I think right this very second is the best time for YOU to start living up to this standard ….
Mr. “Conservative”: I’d like to counter that, but it is so crazy, even far left nut jobs like Alex Jones wouldn’t make that argument, bet you are proud of being considered crazier than them.
Johnathan: I’m not the one sounding crazy right now Mr. “Conservative” … You should seek help for this “far left” thing you keep referring to… Is it in the room with you right now?
Mr. “Conservative”: “The following quote proves that since the beginning of this illegal war, the Department of Defense had every intention for this ’shock and awe’ to have an effect on the population of Iraq, not just its leaders. Rumsfeld said that the strike had taken place “on a scale that indicates to Iraqis” that Saddam and his leadership were finished CNN.” Huh? That quote doesn’t prove any such thing, what that quote proves is that we sent a message that the Iraqis were now safe from Saddam’s atrocities.
Johnathan: Safe yes absolutely! … Out of the frying pan and into a “Depleted Uranium saturated, murdering insurgent infested, rouge militia filled, rampaging fire rimmed shit storm the likes of which none of them had ever seen” … Where should they send their thank you notes?
Mr. “Conservative”: The fact that the Iraqi’s themselves later hanged Saddam was proof that he was guilty and that they no longer feared or needed to fear him because of the US military.
Johnathan: What about all of the consecutive Judges who stepped down sighting the fact that Saddam wasn’t getting a fair trial … It was an obvious show trial for US political gain and they would have no part of it? … Come on Mr. “Conservative” let’s get back to the standard of evidence set by you at the beginning of our original conversation….
Mr. “Conservative”: How about this gem then? “Bush is guilty of crimes against humanity and of waging an illegal war of aggression against a sovereign nation for the purpose of gaining access to its natural resources.” What natural resources did we gain access to? Would it be the oil that is sold almost everywhere but here? We certainly aren’t getting much of that. We still get most of or oil from our “great ally Hugo Chavez” in Venezuela.
Johnathan: These resources you speak of were never supposed to be for “the American people” … They were supposed to be for the benefit of certain few persons and their corporate friends only… And to that end those certain few individuals DID benefit quite handsomely in spades … That said, Since I have never actually stated what the overall grand “purpose” of the invasion was let’s focus on the part that says “Bush is guilty of crimes against humanity and of waging an illegal war of aggression against a sovereign nation.”
Mr. “Conservative”: Every accusation you have made is a false accusation that would never stand up in any court outside of the America hating UN and its world court.
Johnathan: “Beyond all reasonable doubt” Mr. Conservative … The word “reasonable” was put in there on purpose to get around people like you…
Mr. “Conservative”: Every reason Bush and his administration gave for going into Iraq was correct and agreed to by the world community.
Johnathan: Bush’s reasons were outright lies and the world community did NOT agree….
Mr. “Conservative”: The only reason the UN didn’t support the invasion of Iraq was the simple fact that most of their senior people were taking bribes from Saddam, I’m sure you will recall the “oil for food” scandal or doesn’t it fit into your perfect little anti-Bush agenda.
Johnathan: I’m sure you will recall that the UN didn’t support the “invasion” (Good choice of words on your part) because the EXPERTS ON THE GROUND SAID BUSH WAS FLAT OUT LYING … Perhaps you WON’T recall that though since it doesn’t fit in with your little Pro-Bush agenda ….
Mr. “Conservative”: 1. The Sermon on the Mount, how could I ever forget when Jesus said, “Thy Government should steal the fruits of thy labor and give thy fruits to thy neighbor’s too lazy to work, lest thy lazy neighbors feel less worthy, and possibly feel required to get off thy lazy neighbors’ asses and getest thou jobs to pay thine own way.” That sermon always did bring a tear to my eye, and an empty feeling to my wallet.
Johnathan: Ya … I can see how you forgot about it though … It’s the one right below the sermon that says …”Thy Government Officials should steal ALL fruits of thy labor and give thy fruits to friends and political supporters in thoust military industrial complex who are too lazy to work … Lest thy lazy career political supporters and war profiteers feel less worthy, and possibly feel required to get off thy lazy republican supporting war profiteer asses and getest thou low paying minimum wage jobs to pay thine own way at five dollars an hour.”
You finally stumped me on one thing though Mr. Conservative … I can’t for the life of me find where it was written that Jesus spent any time worrying about how fat his wallet was?
Mr. Conservative:
*Crickets*
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