I am … unlike most people … willing to “learn” from you … Mr “Conservative” … However this “education” I am willing to undertake is going to look less like a prison cell with me blindfolded in a chair cuffed to a table and more like a two way street … with the both of us free to take a long walk together … Care free and joyously skipping along gay-fully …. For what it’s worth Mr. ”Conservative” … I … a total loser from the middle of nowhere and being totally uneducated(on the record) am willing to sit down and actually LOOK into what you have to say … IF your willing to look into what I have to say… And I mean LOOK damn it … God gave you TWO ears, TWO eyes, and ONE corn hole … in the CLOSED position … What’s that a 400% ear/eye to closed corn hole ratio? … I’m not that good with formulas … being “uneducated” like I am ….
Mr. “Conservative”: This is quite a list of “crimes”, coming from the same Leftists that thought Bill Clinton’s perjury was justified since it was just “about sex.”
Johnathan: It WAS just about sex wasn’t it?? I guess I had never thought of it like that Mr. “Conservative” … Well … I know I never said Bill Clinton’s perjury was justified … although I HAVE said that the questions finally asked of him after all of that effort and time weren’t worth the sixty five million dollars spent by the republicans to ask him those questions … in fact I’m glad you brought it up because when put next to the standard set by the impeachment of Bill Clinton The impeachment of George Bush should have been that much more immediate and forthcoming … Thanks Mr. “Conservative” that was a good point ….
Mr. “Conservative”: Let’s start with “targeting civilian infrastructure to create civil and social collapse on an epic scale,” this is an interesting charge. One would have to question how you came up with this charge?
Johnathan: Actually … One would have to question how you didn’t??
Mr. “Conservative”: The fact is that Iraq kept their military buried within the civilian community, as do all mideast countries. It is understandable that civilian infrastructure would be damaged to get to the military, but to claim that the civilian infrastructure was targeted is a bit of a stretch.
Johnathan: No it’s not ….
Mr. “Conservative”: “Killing innocent men, women, and children and doing so with malice of forethought.” Again, an interesting charge. But based on what evidence?
Johnathan: Well … This helped … or maybe this …. or this …..
Mr. “Conservative”: Maybe because that was the only way to get to the Iraqi military?
Johnathan: So … tell me again since I’m sure you have it memorized why it was exactly the IRAQI military HAD to be targeted??
Mr. “Conservative”: Was there any evidence given that the civilians were the specific targets?
Johnathan: Sure … plenty ….
Mr. “Conservative”: No, the military was the target, but they used civilian “human shields” making the death and injury of “innocent civilians” militarily necessary, the blame for that lies not with Bush, but rather, with Saddam himself.
Johnathan: No … but for the fact that Bush lied about his reasons for even being there in the first place none of it would have happened … therefore Bush not Saddam was at fault ….
Mr. “Conservative”: “Causing untold levels human suffering the likes of which can only be compared to the worst atrocities in history.” Would these “atrocities” be any worse than the murder of innocent civilians specifically targeted in the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center?
Johnathan: Funny someone like you would mention 911 … again ….
Mr. “Conservative”: Possibly worse than the murder of several million Jews in Germany during World War II?
Johnathan: No … it’s roughly the same thing ….
Mr. “Conservative”: Maybe they are worse than the atrocities committed by the Japanese all over Asia and the Pacific islands during World War II?
Johnathan: Nope … atrocities are atrocities ….
Mr. “Conservative”: Worse than forcing filipinas and korean women into sexual slavery in japanese bordelloes?
Johnathan: My answer is still the same … atrocities are atrocities which is why they are illegal ….
Mr. “Conservative”: Would they be worse than Saddam’s own atrocities? The rape rooms? The mass murders of his own citizens?
Johnathan: Yes actually … Bush is guilty of WAY MORE atrocities then Saddam Hussein ever was …. And … What happened to Saddam again I forgot ….
Mr. “Conservative”: The use of nerve gas on the kurds?
Johnathan: You mean the nerve gas he acquired from Rumsfeld in the eighties and used on the Kurds with the blessings of the Regan administration … you mean that nerve gas?? I mean really … are we going to have to go all the way back through history so everyone knows what atrocities are?? ….
Mr. “Conservative”: What experience do you have in military strategy, “General”? What experience do you have in running military operations, “General”? I’m thinking NONE.
Johnathan: I didn’t realize that you Mr. “Conservative” were a general … how’s that going for you?? … The closest I’ve ever come to having experience in military strategy or running military operations is being a feared General on the ground and a High Admiral in space … cyberspace … But if it’s advice from an actual real world General with actual real world experience you seek this general has some … so does this one …. and this one …
Mr. “Conservative”: You say, “Colin Powell lied to the UN.” Follow that with, “Bush lied in the State of the Union Address” and “He and his staff lied to us 935 separate times.” You don’t give any evidence that they lied, you just make an unsubstantiated charge.
Johnathan: There is a big difference between making an “unsubstantiated charge”(for which Bush would sue in a heartbeat) and making a factual one with facts that YOU(IF you are interested in justice at all) may have to look up for yourself ….
Mr. “Conservative”: Have you forgotten, in your undying hatred of the American way of life, that every intelligence agency from every country agreed with our interpretation of the intel that Iraq had WMD?
Johnathan: You mean like this foreign agency …. or this one ….. or this one ….. or this one ….. those agencies?? Did you not get the memo that said our OWN intelligence agencies disagreed with the WHITE HOUSE’S assessments of Saddam’s capabilities … and if you sir cared anything for the American way of life at all you would have known that already ….
Mr. “Conservative”: Maybe you forgot that even the UN inspectors said Saddam was hiding WMD until Scott Ritter decided it was politically expediant to change his opinion.
Johnathan: I wasn’t aware that Scott Ritter was running for political office … Seems to me that going up against your own boss in the White House would be a bad move if political expediency was his goal …. I don’t know if you have noticed but people who tell the truth don’t exactly go very far in this administration …
Mr. “Conservative”: “Weapons of mass destruction? Yes, I guess they missed those, because there were none and they knew that going in.” Again, your proof?
Johnathan: My proof can be easily looked up using a simple google search … it will take you about two tenths of a second … good luck with that ….
Mr. “Conservative”: Here’s mine, refer to the above paragraph. Add to that the following. The American military found more than 500 shells of serrin nerve gas, I’m sure you remember reading about that in the paper, for only one day, until the left-wing media decided to hide that story.
Johnathan: Ok … so I have to have tangible physical evidence for you to put your hands on(apparently) but you can get away with spouting off some unsubstantiated garbage like that …. come on now Mr. “Conservative” … you will have to do better then that if I’m expected to provide you with documented evidence of EVERY iota of what I’m saying …. or is ALL of your evidence only in your head for just you to see?? I suppose next you’ll say something to the effect of “trust me”??
Mr. “Conservative”: Or maybe you remember my son’s unit finding a wharehouse full of 55 gallon drums containg the chemicals needed to make chemical weapons,
Johnathan: I notice you won’t say what was in those barrels … was it chlorine?? I mean I could say that same thing about some old barrels in a farmers barn and it would probably be true …. What “chemicals” did you … I mean your “son” find … exactly??
Mr. “Conservative”: no you won’t remember that, it was politically incorrect to run that story since it didn’t fit with how evil Bush is and how innocent Saddam was.
Johnathan: This is new … I didn’t know Rupert Murdoch and his cohorts were all that worried about making Bush seem evil and Saddam seem innocent …. do tell ….
Mr. “Conservative”: “Terrorists? Yes, I guess they missed those those as well, because at that point there were none of those in Iraq either and they knew that then too.” Again, no evidence, just an accusation from you and the far left.
Johnathan: I’m not an expert on terrorists or where they were or were not hanging out on some unspecified date Mr. “Conservative” but you sure seem like a smart guy you can find it ….. If you were to simply try …..
Mr. “Conservative”: Here is my evidence, one of the Al-qaeda leaders went to Iraq to be treated after we got him cornered and seriously wounded in a battlre in Afghanistan. I’m sure you remember the “one-leggede sheik”? Maybe not, it wouldn’t be politically expediant for you to remember that little fact.
Johnathan: Let me get this straight … An injured one legged man escaped the grasp of the US military … then made it undetected all the way from the barren mountainous wastelands of Afghanistan through the mountainous deserts of Turkey and Iraq to Saddam’s Palace and what … plopped himself down on the couch??? …. What was his name and where did he stay?? … Do you have photos of Saddam shaking his hand and congratulating him with a real time audio tape of their conversation?? … Do you have some skin cells I could look at?? …. Maybe a time coded and cataloged DNA trail and a video tape of his perilous journey?? … I only ask because that seems to be the standard of proof you expect out of me and I think it’s high time YOU start living up to it ….
Mr. “Conservative”: “They intended to hit civilian areas in order to create ’shock and awe’, in order to terrorize the civilian population into submission for the OCCUPATION that was to follow.” Again, no evidence, just an accusation. I’d like to counter that, but it is so crazy, even Alex Jones wouldn’t make that argument, bet you are proud of being considered crazier than him.
Johnathan: Alex Jones isn’t the one sounding crazy right now … you are Mr. “Conservative” … and you should seek help for it as soon as you are done blaming this “far left” thing you keep referring to for everything ….
Mr. “Conservative”: “The following quote proves that since the beginning of this illegal war, the Department of Defense had every intention for this ’shock and awe’ to have an effect on the population of Iraq, not just its leaders.
‘Rumsfeld said that the strike had taken place “on a scale that indicates to Iraqis” that Saddam and his leadership were finished.’ CNN”. Huh??That quote doesn’t prove any such thing, what that quote proves is that we sent a message that the Iraqis were now safe from Saddam’s atrocities.
Johnathan: Safe yes … Out of the fire … and into a Depleted Uranium soaked, murdering insurgent, militia filled, rampaging shit storm, the likes of which none of them had ever seen … Where should they send their thank you notes?? … I’m sure they would like to know ….
Mr. “Conservative”: The fact that they themselves later hanged him, was proof that they no longer feared or needed to fear him.
Johnathan: Hanging someone after a kangaroo court set up by friends of the US government isn’t exactly proof of anything … just ask the Judges that stepped down siting the fact that Saddam wasn’t getting a fair trial … come on Mr. “Conservative” … let’s get back to the standard of evidence set by you back at the beginning of our conversation ….
Mr. “Conservative”: How about this gem? “Bush is guilty of crimes against humanity and of waging an illegal war of aggression against a sovereign nation for the purpose of gaining access to its natural resources.” What natural resources did we gain access to? Would it be the oil that is sold almost everywhere but here? We certainly aren’t getting much of that.
Johnathan: Those resources were not supposed to be for the American people … they were supposed to be for the benefit of Bush Cheney and their Oil Company friends only …..
Mr. “Conservative”: We still get most of our oil from our “great ally Hugo Chavez” in Venezuela.
Johnathan: That’s simply not true …. Hugo Chavez hates the US now and we only get some of our oil from Venezuela … Bush went to Saudi Arabia when he “wanted” to “negotiate” a lower price for our oil not Venezuela ….
Mr. “Conservative”: Every accusation you have made is a false accusation that would never stand up in any court outside of the America hating UN and its world court.
Johnathan: I have met the standard of “beyond all reasonable doubt” … especially the standard needed for a grand jury(the most important word there being “reasonable” … that standard was put in there on purpose in the first place to get around people like you Mr. “Conservative”) …
Mr. “Conservative”: Every reason Bush and his administration gave for going into Iraq was correct and agreed to by the world community.
Johnathan: No your wrong … Bush’s reasons were outright lies … and the world community did NOT agree …. Sounds like your the one here who likes to make shit up …. or would you like to show me some proof that that statement wasn’t pulled out of your ass just now ….
Mr. “Conservative”: The only reason the UN didn’t support the invasion of Iraq was the simple fact that most of their senior people were taking bribes from Saddam, I’m sure you will recall the “oil for food” scandal. it doesn’t fit into your perfect little anti-Bush agenda.
Johnathan: No … I’m sure you will recall … The UN didn’t support the invasion(good choice of words on your part by the way) because THEIR EXPERTS ON THE GROUND said Bush was lying to them … Oh … My bad, I guess you won’t recall that since that doesn’t fit in with your little Pro-Bush “he is good and great and grand” agenda ….
Mr. “Conservative”: 1. The Sermon on the Mount, good point. Silly me, how could I ever forget when Jesus said, “Thy Government should steal the fruits of thy labor and give thy fruits to thy neighbors too lazy to work, lest thy lazy neighbors feel less worthy, and possibly feel required to get off thy lazy neighbors’ asses and get jobs to pay their own way.” That sermon always did bring a tear to my eye, and an empty feeling to my wallet.
Johnathan: Ya … I can see how you forgot about it though … It’s the sermon right next to the one that says …”Thy Government should steal the fruits of ALL thy labor and give thy fruits to thy closest political supporters too lazy to work and thy friends in thoust military industrial complex, lest thy lazy career political supporters and war profiteers feel less worthy, and possibly feel required to get off thy lazy republican supporter’ war profiteer asses and getest thou low paying minimum hourly wage jobs to pay thine own way.”
You stumped me on one thing though … I can’t seem to find it anywhere where it says that Jesus spent any amount of time worrying about how fat his wallet was …. How do you say “Jesus’ wallet” in Hebrew maybe I can doist a quick search? ….
Mr. “Conservative”: 3.Civilians weren’t “targeted” in Iraq, the military and government installations were. But with those installations “buried” in civilian area collateral damage was going to occur. It is regrettable, but it was necessary.
Johnathan: Was it?? … Where is YOUR proof that civilians weren’t targeted??
Mr. “Conservative”: 4. The link you refer to says absolutely nothing about “demoralizing the population.” It does say “use of overwhelming power, dominant battlefield awareness, dominat maneuvers, and spectacular displays of force to paralyze an adversary’s perception of the battlefield and destroy it’s will to fight.” It was written in 1996, during the Clinton administration.
Johnathan: “It was written in 1996, during the Clinton administration” … So was some of this …. and this …..
Mr. “Conservative”: 5. “Saddam was pretty much a ‘paper tiger’ sitting on a large deposit of cash.” He was also encouraging terrorism by paying the families of suicide bombers, he was shooting at our planes in the UN mandated “no-fly zone,” sending assassin squads after our former Presidents and military officers, and providing medical care and a hiding place for Al-Qaeda leadership after we went into Afghanistan.
Johnathan: Again … where is YOUR proof of ANY of that???
Mr. “Conservative”: 6. Japan trying to surrender? Now you are inventing “facts.” Japan had no intention of surrendering and made no attempt to do so. The firebombing and atomic bombs were to prevent the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American soldiers and marines in an invasion of the Japanese mainland.
Johnathan: There go those pesky history books again “inventing facts” … I’m not going to go too deep into this lesson for you …. Or do I really need to? ….
Mr. “Conservative”: The sanctions against Iraq were part of the cease-fire agreement after the first gulf war, mandated by the UN, no less.
Johnathan: And the US has absolutely no influence at the UN right?? ….
Mr. “Conservative”: 7. It’s also rather curious that you seem to ignore thousands of American soldiers murdered by the “innocent civilians” or the indisputable fact that the insurgents and Al-Qaeda have killed a hundred times as many Iraqis as we have.
Johnathan: First … Those soldiers were not murdered by the innocent civilians … hence the word “innocent” … Second … I just don’t believe that Al Qaeda and their insurgent counterparts are militarily capable of killing a hundred times more anything let alone innocent Iraqi civilians than the US government … Third … IF what you just said there was even true(links?) does that really make the US government look ANY better … AT ALL???
Mr. “Conservative”: 8. So what you really meant was that we didn’t go in to get their natural resources, we just wanted the terrorists to destroy their oil fields and pipelines. You should have said that in the first place.
Exxon and Shell’s record profits? At $149 a barrel? Have you ever actually run a business? Exxon and Shell buy that oil, higher oil prices are bad for the profit margin. The record profits came from record demand. One question, did you complain all the years that oil companies were losing money? I’m betting that you didn’t.
Johnathan: WE didn’t get the resources … Bush and Cheney’s friends and business partners did …. And show me a fourteen quarter in a row record losing streak for the Oil companies ANYWHERE … Show me where they have EVER had record losses in the billions every quarter for years on end and at a time when oil … a dead technology … should have and could have been phased out sixty years before ….
Mr. “Conservative”: 9. Scott Ritter at first said Saddam had WMD and was not complying with inspectors. Only after we started ramping up for war did he change his story.
Johnathan: So let me get this straight … when Scott Ritter first got to Iraq he said that Saddam was uncooperative and had weapons of mass destruction and then after being there on the ground working on disarming Saddam for YEARS and BEFORE Bush charged in like some kind of a retarded bull Scott Ritter changed his story and concluded that in his expert opinion Saddam had NO viable weapons of mass destruction … What a bone head!!
Mr. “Conservative”: “And as it turned out, there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction, were there?” Yes, as I said earlier, we found at least 500 shells containing serrin nerve gas. And my son’s unit found a wharehouse full of 55 gallon drums containing all of the chemicals necessary to make chemical weapons.
Johnathan: Well … If this claim of yours is even true let me ask you this … Where, and when?? … How many of those suckers were nuclear and capable of being delivered with deadly effectiveness to the United States at any time as attested by Bush to congress and the American People in his state of the union speech … And how many of those other so called barrels of chemicals capable of possibly being made into now suddenly unspecified weapons of mass destruction had “made in the USA” stamped on them when you “found” them???
Mr. “Conservative”: “What unit found these chemicals, where were they discovered, when were they discovered?” You didn’t read it in the media for a reason, it was classified to keep the enemy from knowing about it.
Johnathan: Classified … A?? … ”he’s not guilty of lying to Congress and the American people” …. “What?? you want proof … It’s classified …. unless I need to arbitrarily mention it for some reason” … Well played Mr. “Conservative” …. I bet that kind of debating always impresses the laaaiidddaayss … I’m learning a lot from you Mr. “Conservative” ….
Mr. “Conservative”: What was released was the information about the 500 shells containing nerve gas that you choose to merely ignore since it doesn’t support your assertion thsat there were no WMD in Iraq.
Johnathan: “Saddam has 500 of our reject short range shells containing nerve gas” was not the justification George Bush used to illegally start his war in Iraq no matter how much you want to cling to it … BUSH said they had NUCLEAR WEAPONS capable of engulfing any city in the United States in what he described as “a mushroom cloud” … Those old shells Saddam acquired from us in the eighties were NOT MENTIONED until AFTER Bush was caught lying … were they??
Mr. “Conservative”: “You right wing neoconservative Bush supporters will not come in here and discredit us…” Ok, so what you mean is no dissent is allowed. Got it, I’ll remember next time.
Johnathan: Constructive dissent would be nice for a change … this “oh ya … well your just plain old wrong … you must be a terrorist” thing Bush and his stooge toadies have gotten over on there critics all these years based on absolutely nothing more then yet another “oh ya … well your just plain old wrong … you must be a terrorist” … is getting old … I suppose I could just sit here and reply to EVERYTHING you have to say with a “your just a crazy leftist Marxist agent of the KKK” over and over … would that kind of “dissent” make you feel more at home? …
I admit … It WOULD be easier for ME to “debate” like you do … not having to have any pesky facts to look up EVER … or having to deal with reality being in my way … I can certainly see why you right winger types always choose that modus operandi of “dissent” … But unfortunately unlike you … I’m sticking to the truth which always seems to take more thought on my part …. I mean I actually have to go to my google search and type in “Bush crimes” …. and …. press return …. and ……… READ …. But you know what … your a single shake man who just doesn’t have the time for any of that … and I do have the time … I understand really ….
Mr. “Conservative”: JackDanielDouglas, I never said that Bush was a “saint.” I do, however, believe is right on the war, he is wrong for signing every spending bill the Democrats sent to him and capitulating to them almost constantly since he took the White House.
Johnathan: Well now … ”I never said that Bush was a “saint.” … I’m going to chalk that up as your first capitulation …. “he(Bush) is wrong for signing every spending bill” … I’ll have to except that as number two …. As far as Bush being right on the war and capitulating to the demands of the DEMOCRATS since he took office(took being the operative word) … your just plain old wrong … you must be a crazy right wing marxist agent of the KKK ….
Mr. “Conservative”: I took a look at your “evidence.” You have been listening to Alex Jones too much.
Johnathan: What “evidence” did you look at exactly?? … And did your read through it all thoroughly?? … Because I’m inclined to think that you are lying … First I haven’t actually had time to give you my “evidence” yet … you are probably just getting ahead of yourself there on that one … save that line for AFTER I actually give you some …. Second Alex Jones is more of a man than you will ever be … I dare you to come up with something he’s thrown his support behind that didn’t have a paper trail of some kind … usually in the governments own handwriting …. Go ahead try …. but do it on his page … I Iike to stay focused here thank you very much …..
Mr. “Conservative”: “…quit wating our time…” is a typical response from the left. Free speech and debate are good things, unless it is from the conservative right.
Johnathan: Free Speech and Debate are your right and you are also entitled to your opinion … However … Waisting my time is not your right and you do not get to arbitrarily call your opinion fact in a real debate … IF you choose to skip over my facts and evidence only to reply with comments that far less substantiated … and dare I say it far “crazier” than anything I could ever suggest … then what you are attempting is not called debate … all you are attempting to do is waste my time and yours … for that you will get no scooby snack ….
Mr. “Conservative”: As far as my military history, I grew up in an Air Force family, served four years in the Marines, two and a half years in the National Guard, and am currently an Army father.
Johnathan: Well in that case … I was sorry to hear about George Bush taking it upon himself to render all of that distiguished service you and your family have endured all these long decades fighting to uphold the Constitution of the United States worthless … At least he threw it in the trash for you … You must be honored ….
Mr. “Conservative”: “Neocons and zionists?” Somewhat biased aren’t you?
Johnathan: Truth be told Mr. “Conservative” … I’m really not an expert when it comes to ”Neo Cons and Zionists” I’m sure I could find you one … maybe you could look in the phone book …. When I blog I try to keep myself focused unlike you …. so far ….
Mr. “Conservative”: While only a few nations supported the invasion of Iraq, all major intelligence agencies agreed with our own intel, and yes, Israel’s, that Iraq had WMD and was building still more.
Johnathan: Really?? … By all means … Name ALL of them … and a copy of these intel assessments you are referring to would also be nice … I’m interested ….
Mr. “Conservative”: Iran has been a threat to us since the Carter-Khomeini debacl in 1978. And they continue to be, unless you choose to believe that Ahmedinejad’s rhetoric is merely idle chit chat. Personally, I don’t.
Johnathan: Really … How long have we(the US government) been a threat to them??
Mr. “Conservative”: Thanks for the plug on my blogs. Regarding Alan Colmes, he is the onbly liberal I can listen to for more than 5 minutes without shoving a screw driver into my ears. Even in his case, ten minutes would be too long.
Johnathan: “Shoving a screwdriver in your ear” … Wow …. I was just reading a report that stated Bush has OK’d that kind of treatment for innocent civilians … are you secretly clairvoyant Mr. “Conservative”?? … Because right at the very moment I was reading that I also thought about how I would like to do that the next time I have to hear Shawn Hannity or Rush Limbaugh talk … but without waiting the five minutes …. We have allot in common Mr. “Conservative”
Mr. “Conservative”: Just so you know, Rush isn’t on XM so I don’t listen to him, but Mark Levin is much better than Limbaugh ever was anyhow.
Johnathan: I’m going … to totally take your word for it on that one Mr. “Conservative” ….
Mr. “Conservative”: After looking at all of your blogs, I guess I wandered into an anti-semitic enclave. Would you be KKK or Nazi’s?
Johnathan: KKK or Nazi’s?? …. Anti-Semitic enclave??? …. Nobody from FOX NEWS works here … And I don’t Know how you would have gotten that Idea from anything that I’VE written??? … Anything specific you want to refer me to there Mr. “Conservative”?? ….
Mr. “Conservative”: What you have is an anti-Bush agenda in that Bush has done nothing to be investigated for.
Johnathan: Except maybe … This … or this … or this … or this or this …. or this or this and this and this and this …. and this this and this … but other then that ….. Oh wait … I forgot this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this … But no your right ….
You know what … I actually had fun today Mr. “Conservative” …. And I just can’t wait to do this again sometime … mostly because I’d like to hear your next thorough and accurate account chalked full of fascinating and easily verifiable facts explaining just why Bush is … contrary to all known reality … just an innocent victim of the far left and should be let off Scott free from punishment for any of his well known and thoroughly documented crimes … and … if you have some time left over … how your not just some far right wing nut job douchebag Marxist agent working for the KKK who’s just pretending to be a decent human being …
In fact … I’m all ears


November 30, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Holy crap… you had some time, huh? Good job on Mr. Conservative, there JD. The site is looking good. Do I have you on my blog roll yet? I have to get that done.
November 30, 2008 at 11:09 pm
“gay-fully” … dare I ask? Nice cartoon of Mr. Conservative there.
November 30, 2008 at 11:17 pm
No … no gayfull tendancies here … I just wanted to add it in a way he would understand …
November 30, 2008 at 11:18 pm
And I to have to start adding to my blog roll … starting with you my friend ….
December 1, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Even buzzards don’t like him!!!
Great article…. took a lot of time and thought….. hope at least one conservative reads it….. I really liked the response to his “shove a screwdriver in his ear”….. LOL
December 1, 2008 at 10:41 pm
And just so everyone knows … I’m not done with this post yet … I still have a lot of links to put in and I intend on answering quite a few of his responses with more thorough answers then the ones I currently have … However I posted it early because one … conservatives don’t look at the links or read my answers … and two the rest of you know what I’m going to say anyway …
December 2, 2008 at 2:03 am
From what little I understand about blogs… people come and look and most do not leave any comments. If Barton has read this article, he probably chooses not to reply since he has no idea of how to respond. He might have learned something though. and hey…. we don’t know what you are going to say…. we know you are, in most cases, of like mind with us… but we enjoy reading your insightful outlook … its refreshing and I always learn something from you. You need to post your blog articles on Reddit or other big blogs… you know post half of it and then link it back to your site. get people used to coming here to check to see what you are talking about today or this week. Post your new stuff on top…. if you are like me… you go to a blog and if the same thing is the first article, then I assume that nothing new has been posted. Now… something like ADS, I find confusing because I can’t tell what is up or down. That’s me… you guys seem to have no trouble with it. Maybe I just don’t spend much time there and I’m too impatient to fool around with learning the routes within it. Hey … if a blogger wants readers, shouldn’t he make reading easy or should he make it a puzzle or challenging .. guess it depends on ‘who’ he is aiming for. Men seem to like the puzzle …. he he
You have a great blog start… go for it…. reach for your heights…
December 6, 2008 at 1:05 pm
I think instead of calling it … getting off “Scott” free … that it should now be changed to getting off “Rove” free …. Or do you disagree??
December 6, 2008 at 5:09 pm
If any of these links don’t work let me know … I’m sure I have a half dozen more where that came from …..
December 7, 2008 at 12:59 am
Jack,
I’m short on time this weekend, but I will get to all of your comments in a few weeks.
For this week, we can start with the link that leads to a war crimes “charge” that was put forward to the World Court by Ramsey Clark in 1991 against the First Bush presidency. It is merely a charge, nothing more. It is interesting that you picked a charge by Ramsey Clark. According to wikipedia ( granted wiki has problems with accuracy on occasion, but in this case they seem fairly accurate) Clark was “a strong opponent of the War on Terrorism.” He opposed the trial of Saddam and went so far as to help represent Saddam until he was thrown out of court, after declaring the trial illegal. He was thrown out by Chief Judge Raouf Abdul Rahman. Some of Clark’s other notable clients were the FMLN activist Jennifer Casolo. He also represented the nazi concentration camp commandant Karl Linnas, a leader in the Rwandan genocide by the name of Elizaphan Ntakirutimana and Joe “mad dog” Sullivan ( a contract killer).
Ramsey Clark has a long history of anti-Americanism. He also “charged and tried” NATO on 19 counts and issued calls for its dissolution after the 1999 NATO bombing of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.
Regarding Japan’s efforts to surrender in WWII, you provided two links. One is nothing more than a group of anti-America Leftists offering their own opinions. The claim that Roosevelt wanted the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor was rather hilarious. They never really answered the question of when Roosevelt became Emperor of Japan in order to bring that about. Not worth the time to read except in an effort to understand the thinking of the Left. The second link was a little more reliable, I will admit to that, but it does leave one wondering why all of the “attempts to surrender” were made to Russia rather than to the US. It also does not answer the question of what information Truman had that influenced his decision. Nor does it answer a bigger question that it caused me, why did Roosevelt and Truman share the same conspiracy?
Regarding the links to the videos about Blackwater and their “intentionally killing civilians”, I noticed that the videos were posted by “The Nation”, a media organization that I would find as reliable as you would, no doubt, the National Review. I did also notice there was no real substantiation in the videos, just alot of accusations. But I should thank you for the link, it did give me an interesting article by the great foreign relations expert, Sean Penn.
The comment about “wandering into an anti-semitic enclave. Would you be KKK or Nazis?” It is nice the way you take that out of context. That statement was based on the blog postings by Scott Allen Humphry, almost all of which were anti-Israeli. In fact, from what I read they blamed Israel for all of the world’s evils and Bush was merely a stooge for the Israelis. Comparing Us “Rightwing nuts” to marxists is a bit of a stretch as well. Marxists believe the government should be in total control. “Rightwing nuts” generally believe the government has very limit responsibilities, and generally should stay out of the way and let people sink or swim on their own. It is the Marxists that believe the government should save the people in New Orleans from their own ignorance when a cat 4 hurricane bears down on them and they don’t get out of the way, “Rightwing nuts” generally believe that if some one buys a house they can’t afford, there should be no bailout, that person should get a second job to pay their bills. We also don’t believe that government should be bailing out the loan companies that gave those mortgage loans to people they knew couldn’t pay the loans back. “Rightwing” is the antithesis of marxism.
December 7, 2008 at 5:05 am
Actually I’m going to stop you right there Dc … This is all fine and good and I’m MORE then happy to continue this conversation … or this “education” The BOTH of us are having … but your wanting to start on the fifth floor and we haven’t even taken the first step yet … NO WONDER everything is so screwed up here … I’m glad you had the courage to come out and to continue this conversation DC … And as promised I will give you the courtesy and same level of respect given to me as I promised … I will also try to make sure that everyone else here does as well but I can only do so much as people are also free to say what they feel about what your saying … in the end I’m only responsible for what I say ….
That said … Thank you for coming DC I mean that …. But I either do things right or not at all … that’s just the way I was built … And quite honestly I haven’t even read your comment there yet … But I promise I will … As soon as I get to the fifth floor … If you want to continue our conversation … Our “education” … I’m sorry but your going to have to join me down here:
http://intwain.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/next/
On the very first step ….
December 7, 2008 at 4:32 am
TROLL.
December 7, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Maybe DC takes giant steps and just misses the first few.
That way he can ignore them…. as far as he is concerned, the first steps never happened.